"Through Other Eyes"
Here is some background information on the cartoonist, Joe Sacco:
Joe Sacco was born in Malta and raised in Australia. He later emigrated to the United States. The subject matter of this excerpt derives from his efforts to document the lives of Palestinians.
For this blog, I'd like you to respond to TWO questions. Everyone should respond to #3, which asks you to compare and contrast with "The Socks." Then choose one of the other questions. Please be sure to answer all parts of the question fully.
35 comments:
After examining the way Sacco portrays himself and Paula in the market, to the police arriving at the party in "The Socks" you can tell that each writer describes the scenes in different ways. Satrapi describes the scene with only pictures. There are no words to explain what is going on, you have to figure it out by paying close attention to each picture. Sacco describes the scene at first by showing a big picture of arab market, then he shows an even bigger picture of him and her in a cluster of people with little pop-ups of what Sacco is thinking throughout the walk. They are both very similar but are presented in different ways.
I think that even though Sacco presents himself in the comics it does not make his journailism objective. You can tell that he shows both views of the old city and the market between all three characters.--Sara J
The comparison between Sacco portaying himself and Paula in the market, and the police arriving at the party in "The Socks" are both very similar. They are both showing similar instances but in different ways. In "The Socks" the sences are described with pictures with minimal words, when in "Through Other Eyes" it is shown with pictures also but has more words. The words talk a lot about how Sacco is feeling during the walk.
Both stories portray the same meaning but in different ways with different instances. I believe that even though he uses comics, his journalism is not objective. He shows a different view with each characters showing many different opinions.
-Christine L.
The comparison between the party scene in "The Socks" and the walk through the market in "Through Other Eyes" is very similar. Although Satrapi uses mainly pictures to show the emotion at that time and Sacco does use words you get the same nervous feeling. Both characters had more internal panic and tried not to let it show too much to others, although Satrapi's character did while Sacco was trying to comfort the other character instead of scaring her.
Question 1
Sacco's views of the Old City differ from those of Naomi and Paula because they are nervous because of their culture. Although Sacco is nervous as well he is not being open about it and is trying to persuade them that everything is okay. Their fears of the market are rational because everyone has certain fears when it comes to things like that. When you are in a situation where you would be the minority and you are afraid others would notice it becomes very easy to be frightened and reserved because of it. I don't think Sacco finds their fears reasonable at all because he never once tried to understand them, instead he just tried to convince them otherwise.
Krysten A.
The scene of the party being busted by the cops in "The Socks" is similar to when Sacco is taking Paula through the market because it is both uncomfortable times for them both. They differ because in "The Socks", everyone is running, and obviously trying to hide. In "Through Others Eyes", they are undercover, and are just trying not to blow it. Through the market in "Through Others Eyes", the reader can get a little more of the feelings because you see his face and what he is thinking at the same time.. it is easier to understand his position.
Question#2
I don't think that the way Sacco puts himself in his journalistic comics makes him less objective. He would look less objective if he was not with two other people who have all different views on the subject, but he is with people with different views, and he shows those views as well. That alone makes his journalism appear with a lot of objective even with himself involved in it.
Tia P.
Question 1
Sacco's views of the Old City and Market differ from Naomi's and Paula's by the girls believe its too dangerous and Jews get stabbed there. Sacco tells them that he see Orthodox Jews walking through there all the time and there's always tourist walking through there. I think the women's fear are in fact rational becuase they have reason to believe bad things happen ther do to limited freedoms that they have. In the beginning Sacco finds their fears reasonable but convinces them otherwise. When walking through the market Sacco finds himself worring about people looking at them, if they seem nervous, if anyone will say anything and if they're walking too fast.
Question 3
Both "The Socks" and "Through Other Eyes" they are describe in the same way. They both show the fear and chaos in the party scene and market scene. Satrapi used only pictures to show what was happening, while Sacco used both pictures and words to show what was going on. Satrapi portrays her characters as more keeping their feeling hidden, while Sacco makes his characters verbal about their fear!
Amanda B.
#3. When Sacco portays himself and Paula in the market he used alot of description and narraration to explain what he is feeling and what is going on. Satrapi does not use that many words, she uses more pictures to let you figure out whats going on. They both describe the scene of chaos and fear differently but you get both point of views easily.
2. I do not think that Sacco is making himself less objective when he puts himself in his comic. He is still getting the point of view from Naomi and Paula so its not just his opinion. I think the way he did the comic with him in it works and he should be in it.
-Ashley B
I think that the scene from Satrapi's "The Socks" and the scene in which Sacco takes Paula through the market are alike in the fact that they are both uncomfortable situations. They are different, however, in the fact that in "The Socks" the people at the party were caught red handed and they attempt to run away from the party, while in "Through Other Eyes" Sacco and Paula are just trying to walk thorough the market without looking suspicious. However, in both stories, as little as the authors drew, they were still able to get the point across on the people's faces that they were scared. It was very interesting.
--Molly Pasman
after examining both of the situations you can see that both writers describe the situation very differently. Satrapi describes it in many frames and makes it seem like a long chase and exhausting incident. however Sacco clutters it up into one frame which fits the cluttered market seen.
Saccos view of the old city and market differ from the womens in the fact he believes there is nothing to fear in either spot and walks through everyday. however the women feel scared and threatened and believe it is very dangerous. I think the womens fears are very rational, they are from a completely different culture . from this there is huge conflict between the two cultures. Sacco in the beginning does not find their fears rational but after traveling through the market with the one changes his mind and sees that there is a culture difference and it may lead to violence.
Robert Lyons
Both authors describe their scene very differently using different methods. Sacco uses words adn a bunch of crowds and Satrapi uses a lot of pictures to show her view of the life. They portrey the scenes a little differently, but also have a sort of same thing by having situations a little similar. They also use these comics with pictures and words/emotion. The only difference is that Sacco uses words as he is walking through the crowd and such, and Satrapi uses pictures that you need to interpret.
Lauren Chetta
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The comparision from the two stories, "the socks" and "through other eyes" are very similar. They show similar instances but a little bit different. The socks was portrayed with many different pictures as for through other eyes, it is described more with words and feelings.He shows the arab market and with the big group of people. They are both alike but portrayed differently.
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The journalistic comments make Sacco less objecive.He is with people who have different views.That makes it seem more objective.
Sarah Schwartz
The way Sacco portrays himself and Paula in the market, is similar to Satrapi's protrayal when the police arrive at the party is kind of similar. The reasons it seems similar is due to facial expressions on the character's faces. The expressions shown are nervousness, and paranoia. It is easy to tell because both characters are in hard situations and they show it in their facial expressions. The difference of the two comics are that in the markets there is a lot of pictures and expressions shown; on the other hand, at the party there are less comic boxes used.
I think Sacco makes his work less objective because he is very opionated about how he feels and through the character he expresses his opions deeply. I think he does a good job as the character because its first person, and he can relate and really express how that character is actually thinking and feeling.
-Meghan K
Sacco believes that there is nothing to be afraid of when walking through the old city, and the market. The women are terrified that they will be stabbed. I don't think that their fears were rational. No matter where you go, if you're in a crowded area, no one will notice you. At least, the odds are so slim that anyone would notice that you "don't belong." Now, I understand if they were walking down an alley, or back road. Then, someone would definitely notice them. But in a crowded market, everyone is preoccupied with their shopping lists. At the beginning, Sacco doesn't believe that the women's fears are reasonable. But after walking through the market, he becomes paranoid. His opinion only changes slightly.
In the market, Sacco has an expression on his face which is similar to the expression on the blond girl's face in "The Socks." The expression is of fear. There is a lot of chaos in both. The only difference between that is how it's portrayed. In "Through Other Eyes" the chaos is mainly in Sacco's head. In "The Socks" the chaps is shown throughout the panels, mostly wherever the cops are.
~~Heather C.~~
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After reading the stories, Satrapi and Sacco use both similar and differnt methods for describing the situations. Theya are differnt because in the "Socks", Satrapi uses less words and more pictures to describe the situation. However Sacco uses many words to describe the situation more clearly. They are similar because in both stories they characters were making a big deal over something small.
Sacco view the makert as a place where people from all over go to shop and look around. He assures Paula and Naomi that it is a safe place and they won't get attacked because there Israelis. I think the womens fear werent tht unusual because you never know how people will act when tourists enter their territory. At first he finds their fears unreasonable, but then he does get nervous that there assumptions may be right, however he never admits it in the end.
-Kim Austin
Question 1:
Sacco views the market differently than the girls, he tells Paula and Naomi that there is nothing to be afraid of when he is really afraid to walk through the market. Naomi seems nervous about everything that has to do with the old city and the market, she thinks it is dangerous and that being an Israeli will cause her harm and she may get hurt. Paula doesn't show much emotion, she isn't afraid of the old city and when in the market her facial expressions don't change where Sacco is nearly having an anxiety attack as he counts down the turns. I think both of the women's fears stem from what they may have heard happen and automatically think that it will happen to them this is irrational. Sacco obviously has fear of the market that he does not show in the beginning.
Question 3:
Sacco portrays himself as an outsider in the market. When he is walking through the Arab market he is uncomfortable. In both pieces they are obviously very scared. Their fear comes from the same thing which is for being different than the majority and what everyone conforms to. The difference between their situations is Sacco is scared of the population and being harmed where the group in "The Socks" are afraid of the Revolutionary Guard.
Francis Adams
Both writers use slightly different styles to show the chaos of each situation. Sacco uses more words and more details in in his character's expression. Satrapi uses a more simplistic seiries of pictures to show the process of the arrival of the cops at the party.
Sacco is comfortable with being in the Old City as well as in the market. The women have never gone through the market because they have been afraid. Sacco does not think that the fears of the women are rational so he assures them that all is well and continues to take them through the village.
--Christina C
Each writer portrays their fear in each of their pieces. The woman who wrote the socks, is in fear of her government, of being caught breaking a foolish and restricting law. The other author is scared of being discovered in a non Jewish part of his country. The differences are between the ways the stories are portrayed. One uses simple and rough images to project her fear. The other uses complicated drawings and lots of narration. The fear of the market is irrational, because Sacco has walked through the market at least once every day, and has gotten into no trouble. The woman are basing their fears all on hear say not true facts.
J haley
Question 1
Sacco's views of the Old City are are much different than Naomi's and Paula's views. Paula is nervous to walk through the market because of who she is--an Israeli. Paula is very concern of the culture clash that she will encounter once she steps foot into the market. Sacco claims that walking through the market is not as dangerous as they think it is. However, as Sacco is walking through the market with Paula, he becomes occupied with her self-consciousness. The uneasiness that she is feeling causes Sacco to become a worked up basket case and he becomes very paranoid. I think the women's fear of going to the market place is rational. The women's were brought into a world where they were culturally criticize against and stepping into a market place of none of their own is terrifying to them. Sacco must learn to be in their position to understand the rational minds of these women's. At the beginning, Sacco finds the women's fears to be unjustified. As stated before, Sacco should recognize their fear of walking through the market place and delve deeper to empathize with the women's. At the end of the walk through the market place, Sacco seems to moderately understand Paula's distress. I feel that in the future, he will become more compassionate for those who are in the same positioin as the women's.
Question 3
In Satrapi's "The Sock," she demonstrates chaos and fear with very minimal words and through stark pictures. You can understand a good sense but Sacco does a better job in portraying fear. On pg 555, I find it to be a great representation of Sacco's mind boggling panic. They are both similar in the way that they both created comics to showcase their story. They both definetly approached a strong subject in portraying the everyday life that these women's have to go through either by having a party or walking through a market place. Both stories were also different in how they approached the ending. In "The Sock," she counteracts the orders given to continue life as she wants. Sacco's story however, was not the same way. Sacco's character, or himself rather, commiserates with the woman.
-Christine Lam
Both stories talk about fear, and how the react to their fear. In "The Socks" the author talks about their fear with the law, and the government, and in the second story they talk about their fear of being discovered as a 'non-jew' in a certain area of town. Also you can look at the differences in the way they wrote the story, and drew the pictures. They are both very different with how the there are more pictures in the second story than the first one.
- michelle k
After reading "though other eyes" by Sacco I do not think since he includes him in his comics it makes him journalism less objective. He looks though the eyes of other characters and makes the coverage of the events objective and makes the comic interesting to read.
The comparison between how Sacco portrays himself and Paula in the market and the portion of Marjane Satrapi's "The Socks" when the police arrive at the party is similar but not the same. Sacco describes fear and chaos more in pictures than words and Marjane Satrapi uses words more than pictures to describe the chaos. But they both use images and words to describe the fear and chaos of each scene.
-Melissa H
1. Sacco's views of the old city and the market are much more casual than Naomi and Paula's. He has immersed himself into Palestian life, not fully understanding the traditions that were destroyed and the tension created from the invasion. I do believe the women's feelings were rational about visiting the market. Although things were "different" it still could be a dangerous place if someone recognized them. Sacco does not fully understand their fears, being ignorant of the difficulties their people went through. Once he is inside the market, he becomes extremely tense and uncomfortable. He begins to understand the women's fears.
3. Sacco's portrayal of a chaotic scene is much different than Satrapi's. Sacco utilizes a full page frame of the scene, covering it with numerous pictures of his character's nervousness and anxiety as he walks through the market. He uses questions to show his stress. Satrapi on the other hand uses numerous frames, with no text. Also, each frame is much more simple and clean looking than Sacco's. Sacco's frame is completely full.
Kristina B
Question 1
Sacco is very comfortable with the Old City because he had been there before. While Naomi and Paula were very nervous to walk around in the city because of all the stories they had heard. When the women were afraid to walk around in the market, I think it was rational because they knew that people had been stabbed there. Sacco tried to convince them that their fears were unreasonable because he had been through the market before. When they actually did walk through the market, Sacco was very nervous and scared for his safety. So I think that his opinion changed at the end of the story and he could see where the women were coming from.
Question 3
In the market, Sacco is very worried about his surroundings, while Paula looks very calm and you can’t see what she is thinking. When comparing this story to the “Socks” scene, both scenes are mainly pictures and not a lot of words. Both writers want the readers to focus in the on facial expressions of the characters and less on what they are saying. The writer of this story really focuses on Sacco’s reaction, instead of focusing on both Sacco’s and Paula’s reaction. In the “Socks” scene, there are no words and there are reactions from more than one character. I think by having a lack of words, the reader is able to understand all the things that are happening very quickly in the story.
Sacco view the Old City and the market as a place that's not dangerous. On the other hand Naomi and Paula things it's dangerous. As a matter of fact, I think the women's fears are rational. The Jewish settlers did evict Silwan families out of their home and it did cause conflicts. At the begining of the story
Sacco didn't find their fears rational but after his last walk in the market he did get a little scared. I like the fact that Sacco included himself in this comic because I think this makes his journalism less objective. I also like the fact that he didn't have any fears in the begining of the story and at the end he did have a little, which leaves him in a neutral position. He's not trying to force anything onto his readers. Last but not least, this story wasn't one of my favorite so it wouldn't have mattered if it was more or less objective.
Sacco view the Old City and the market as a place that's not dangerous. On the other hand Naomi and Paula things it's dangerous. As a matter of fact, I think the women's fears are rational. The Jewish settlers did evict Silwan families out of their home and it did cause conflicts. At the begining of the story
Sacco didn't find their fears rational but after his last walk in the market he did get a little scared. I like the fact that Sacco included himself in this comic because I think this makes his journalism less objective. I also like the fact that he didn't have any fears in the begining of the story and at the end he did have a little, which leaves him in a neutral position. He's not trying to force anything onto his readers. Last but not least, this story wasn't one of my favorite so it wouldn't have mattered if it was more or less objective.
Nordian D.
Different parts in "The Socks" and this story are recognized to me as being similar to eachother in certain ways. It stuck out to me at the part when Sacco took Paula through the market, an uncomfortable time. In "The Socks", it was also an uncomfortable and akward time when the police broke the party and everyone ran from the house. This also shows difference since in "Through Other Eyes", it was more secretive and important not to make a scene. It is harder to represent true feelings through comic pictures. I was able to see more emotional feeling through "Through Other Eyes".
When the women are afraid, Sacco tries hard to reassure them since he is comfortable being in both the old city as well as in the market. He continues with taking the women through. It is very understandable as to why the women are so frightened, when it comes to the minority, it sets a lot of people back, as it would myself. I noticed that Sacco wasnt as understanding as he should've been. It seemed like he didnt take the time to understand where they were coming from, he just wanted to convince them otherwise.
Jessica Wood
Question 2:
I think just because Sacco includes himself as a character does not make his journalism any less objective. He does say a lot of his views however he talks about others views as well making it not objective.
Question 3:
The writers of "Through Other Eyes" and "The Socks" describe chaos and fear in different ways. In "Through Other Eyes" Sacco uses pictures and a few words to tell us what the character is thinking. The pictures however are sort of in a collage of his different facial expressions while walking through the market to show us his fear. In "The Socks" the writer uses a series of pictures to describe what is happening. The portrayals are similar in a way that they both primarily use pictures to show the fear and chaos.
Maria D.
Both writers decribe the scenes in different ways, in "the socks" the reader needs to read the story mainly through only the pictures while in "through other eyes" there are many words along with the pictures that help the reader be able to "read" the story easier. There similar in the sence that they both involve many pictures, but "the socks" leaves more to the imagination,
i think that sacco including himself in his comic doesnt make it one sided. you can see that the story is not biased and she shows all 3 charecters different views.
-Lydia Mojkowski
After comparing the way that Sacco portrays himself and Paula in the market and the portion of Satrapi's "The Socks" where the police arrive at the party, you realize that they are very similar. Both display fear and other emotions in the characters, and each of them rely on mostly pictures to get across the feelings and actions to the reader. The only difference really between the two is that in the section of "Through Other Eyes" there are words written of his thoughts and they speak through part of it, and in "The Socks" there aren't any words at all. Also, the scene in "The Socks" is more drawn out. There is more happening, whereas in the other story it sums up the experience in only a few pictures.
Question #1:
Sacco's views of the Old City are different from Noami's and Paula's because even though he is nervous, she tries to hide it in order to comfort the other two women. They are more open about their fear of the different culture. I think that the women's fears are rational. If I was in their position I would have the same reaction just because it is a different culture and a different environment and you don't now how they might react to you being there. At first Sacco does not find their fears to be reasonable, but by the end he realizes he was feeling the same way. His opinion does change by the time it came to walk through, and deffinitley by the ending.
Erin P.
3. After looking at the two scenes I realized that the chaos "the Socks" is told through pictures only. there are no words to let the reader know what is happening, it is more of the readers opinion or what they portray. in "Through Other Eyes" the author uses dialog and picture to show and tell the reader how Paula and himself are feeling. The scenes are similar in what is happening but are shown in very different ways.
1. Sacco's views of the Old city and the market differ from Naomi and Paula because Naomi and Paula have never seen the area at all. Sacco seems like he is familiar with the area at first but then we find out the he was nervuos as well. I do think that Naomi's and Paula's fears are rational because they are in a new place and feel like people can let where they are from. when people travel to foreign countries I think there is always a little fear. I don't think Sacco finds their fears reasonable in the beginning because they show fear of entering but he just keeps going. In the end i think his opinion does change because he was really nervous about what people thought about him when he was walking though the market.
Aly T.
The way Sacco portrays himself and Paula in the market and the way Satrapi portrays when the police arrived at the party, are both described differently, but are very similar situations. Sacco uses pictures to show his feelings, but he also uses words to show us his thoughts at the time. Satrapi does not use words, she describes her situation with only pictures. They are both share similar emotions during each situation, and in both scenarios these emotions are obvious.
Question #1
Sacco thought that the market was "colorful," Naomi thought it was dangerous and didn't want to take the chance of something happening, and Paula seemed like she didn't really have a negative or positive view about it. I think that the fear of the market was rational, if I had heard about stabbing's in a market, I wouldn't take the chance of walking through. At the beginning, Sacco doesn't see why anyone would be nervous. But when he actually walked through with Naomi, he was more nervous than she was.
-Sarah C.
Question 1:
How Sacco's views of the Old City and the market differ from those of Naomi and Paula is that he isn't as cautious or aware of his surroundings as they are. What I mean is that the whole time you can tell Naomi and Paula didn't feel completely comfortable and never let their guard down for that reason while Sacco even says that at one point he lets his guard down. Also, yes, I do believe that the women's fears of going through the market are rational. The reason being that they are Jewish and Jews get stabbed and robbed all the time in the marketplace. Also, you are very vulnerable because it is so crowded with people with everyone pushing their way through that you are defenseless.
Question 3:
The difference between the comics in "Through Other Eyes" and "the Socks is the following. In "The Socks" the graphic writer describes the chaos and fear through pictures without any words. You are left to imagine what may have been said but overall you get the main idea of what is happening at that moment because of the pictures. Meanwhile, with "Throughout Other Eyes" the chaos and fear is also described with pictures but with words as well. Short sentences are used to describe the situation and give readers a little more of an in depth idea of what's going on. Thus, they are both similar in that pictures are used in each but in Sacco's "Through Other Eyes" words are used as well.
-Joshua Martinez
I think that the socks and Through Oher Eyes are very similar they both show a lot of the same meanings. Yet are different because the socks doesn't have a lot of writing but shows it more through the pictures whrough Through Other Eyes iis descriptive in the writing.
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I believe that Sacco's views differ because he is a man. The woman are scared and uncomfortable going to the market when Sacco believes that there is nothing to be scared of, even though he knows people have been knifed there. Sacco had been there many times and I believe that he was not completely aware of the situation.
In the essay "the sox" the author portrays chaos differently because he uses more frames per page and it gives the reader her actions as the situation unfolds. In the essay "through the eyes" there is one frame that portrays chaos because there is so much going on and so many people.
Jonathan Manning
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